Issue37757
Created on 2019-08-05 00:15 by ncoghlan, last changed 2022-04-11 14:59 by admin. This issue is now closed.
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| PR 15131 | merged | ncoghlan, 2019-08-05 04:15 | |
| PR 15491 | merged | ncoghlan, 2019-08-25 14:10 | |
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| msg349012 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-05 00:15 | |
While implementing PEP 572, Emily noted that the check for conflicts between assignment operators and comprehension iteration variables had not yet been implemented: https://bugs.python.org/issue35224#msg334331 Damien George came across this discrepancy while implementing assignment expressions for MicroPython. The proposed discussion regarding whether or not the PEP should be changed didn't happen, and the PEP itself misses the genuinely confusing cases where even an assignment expression that *never executes* will still make the iteration variable leak: >>> [i for i in range(5)] [0, 1, 2, 3, 4] >>> [i := 10 for i in range(5)] [10, 10, 10, 10, 10] >>> i 10 >>> [False and (i := 10) for i in range(5)] [False, False, False, False, False] >>> i 4 And that side effect happens even if the assignment expression is nested further down in an inner loop: >>> [(i, j, k) for i in range(2) for j in range(2) for k in range(2)] [(0, 0, 0), (0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 0), (0, 1, 1), (1, 0, 0), (1, 0, 1), (1, 1, 0), (1, 1, 1)] >>> i Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'i' is not defined >>> [(i, j, k) for i in range(2) for j in range(2) for k in range(2) if True or (i:=10)] [(0, 0, 0), (0, 0, 1), (0, 1, 0), (0, 1, 1), (1, 0, 0), (1, 0, 1), (1, 1, 0), (1, 1, 1)] >>> i 1 I'm at the PyCon AU sprints today, and will be working on a PR to make these cases raise TargetScopeError as specified in the PEP. |
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| msg349022 - (view) | Author: Guido van Rossum (gvanrossum) * | Date: 2019-08-05 04:23 | |
Thanks for being part of the village raising this child! |
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| msg349033 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-05 07:34 | |
Added a PEP update as well: https://github.com/python/peps/pull/1140 |
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| msg349057 - (view) | Author: Barry A. Warsaw (barry) * | Date: 2019-08-05 17:11 | |
I know the PEP defines TargetScopeError as a subclass of SyntaxError, but it doesn't really explain why a subclass is necessary. I think seeing "TargetScopeError" will be a head scratcher. Why not just SyntaxError without introducing a new exception? |
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| msg349084 - (view) | Author: Guido van Rossum (gvanrossum) * | Date: 2019-08-05 22:32 | |
[Barry] > I know the PEP defines TargetScopeError as a subclass of SyntaxError, but it doesn't really explain why a subclass is necessary. I think seeing "TargetScopeError" will be a head scratcher. Why not just SyntaxError without introducing a new exception? Hm, that's not a bad point. We report all sorts of things found by the bytecode compiler as SyntaxError. OTOH This would require a PEP change, formal review, etc. (IMO much more so than adding the new edge case that Nick and Damien discovered.) Maybe the best way of doing this would be to implement TargetScopeError now, then start the debate about killing it, and try to get that in before beta4? |
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| msg349092 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-06 00:33 | |
I believe our main motivation for separating it out was the fact that even though TargetScopeError is a compile-time error, the affected code is syntactically fine - there are just issues with unambiguously inferring the intended read/write location for the affected target names. (Subclassing SyntaxError is then a pragmatic concession to the fact that "SyntaxError" also de facto means "CompilationError") Searching for "Python TargetScopeError" will also get folks to relevant information far more quickly than searching for "Python SyntaxError" will. Pre-seeding Stack Overflow with an answer to "What does TargetScopeError mean in Python?" would probably be a good idea though (similar to what I did for https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25445439/what-does-syntaxerror-missing-parentheses-in-call-to-print-mean-in-python ) |
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| msg349094 - (view) | Author: Guido van Rossum (gvanrossum) * | Date: 2019-08-06 01:53 | |
But we don't do that with any of the other (many) errors detected by later passes of the compiler. Those report dozens of SyntaxErrors, with good descriptive messages. Users can search the web for those messages too. Also, I doubt that many people will ever get a TargetScopeError. The examples are all esoteric -- yes, the compiler needs to reject them, but no, they are not things one is likely to try intentionally. (The exception may be the forbidden form you're adding, [... for ... in (i := ...)].) |
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| msg349100 - (view) | Author: Serhiy Storchaka (serhiy.storchaka) * | Date: 2019-08-06 05:46 | |
> We report all sorts of things found by the bytecode compiler as SyntaxError. Except of these which are reported with IndentationError or its subclass TabError. |
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| msg349139 - (view) | Author: Barry A. Warsaw (barry) * | Date: 2019-08-06 22:58 | |
> OTOH This would require a PEP change, formal review, etc. It would be trivial though. There are only two references to TargetScopeError in the PEP. One talks about adding the exception and the other just mentions it almost in passing as a subclass of SyntaxError. I think it would be better to just use SyntaxError. |
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| msg349141 - (view) | Author: Guido van Rossum (gvanrossum) * | Date: 2019-08-07 00:02 | |
If you and Nick both feel strongly about this please take it to python-dev, I'm sure we'll get closure quickly there. |
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| msg349632 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-14 02:39 | |
The outcome of the python-dev discussion was that we agreed to switch to raising a plain SyntaxError, as that's what we do everywhere else that this kind of problem comes up (e.g. conflicts between global and nonlocal declarations, or between those and parameter declarations, as well as the various other cases of "that statement/expression is fine in isolation, but you can't use it *here*"). Both PRs have been updated accordingly, and the PEP PR has been merged. |
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| msg350292 - (view) | Author: Ćukasz Langa (lukasz.langa) * | Date: 2019-08-23 14:09 | |
This is marked as a release blocker. The last beta is scheduled for Monday. Please decide how to proceed ASAP. |
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| msg350310 - (view) | Author: Guido van Rossum (gvanrossum) * | Date: 2019-08-23 15:48 | |
The decision has been made to get rid of TargetScopeError and instead just use SyntaxError. PEP 572 was updated already. We're just waiting for someone (Serhiy?) to review Nick's patch, PR #15131. |
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| msg350455 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-25 13:45 | |
New changeset 5dbe0f59b7a4f39c7c606b48056bc29e406ebf78 by Nick Coghlan in branch 'master': bpo-37757: Disallow PEP 572 cases that expose implementation details (GH-15131) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/5dbe0f59b7a4f39c7c606b48056bc29e406ebf78 |
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| msg350460 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-25 14:41 | |
New changeset 6ca030765db49525f16b8fabff4153238148b58d by Nick Coghlan in branch '3.8': [3.8] bpo-37757: Disallow PEP 572 cases that expose implementation details (GH-15491) https://github.com/python/cpython/commit/6ca030765db49525f16b8fabff4153238148b58d |
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| msg350461 - (view) | Author: Alyssa Coghlan (ncoghlan) * | Date: 2019-08-25 14:43 | |
Merged for 3.8b4 after Emily's review. Thanks to all involved in the PEP update and change discussion! |
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| Date | User | Action | Args |
| 2022-04-11 14:59:18 | admin | set | github: 81938 |
| 2019-08-25 14:43:28 | ncoghlan | set | status: open -> closed resolution: fixed messages: + msg350461 stage: patch review -> resolved |
| 2019-08-25 14:41:50 | ncoghlan | set | messages: + msg350460 |
| 2019-08-25 14:10:49 | ncoghlan | set | pull_requests: + pull_request15178 |
| 2019-08-25 13:45:43 | ncoghlan | set | messages: + msg350455 |
| 2019-08-23 15:48:46 | gvanrossum | set | messages: + msg350310 |
| 2019-08-23 14:09:32 | lukasz.langa | set | priority: deferred blocker -> release blocker nosy: + lukasz.langa messages: + msg350292 |
| 2019-08-14 02:39:33 | ncoghlan | set | messages: + msg349632 |
| 2019-08-07 00:02:11 | gvanrossum | set | messages: + msg349141 |
| 2019-08-06 22:58:15 | barry | set | messages: + msg349139 |
| 2019-08-06 05:46:15 | serhiy.storchaka | set | messages: + msg349100 |
| 2019-08-06 01:53:06 | gvanrossum | set | messages: + msg349094 |
| 2019-08-06 00:33:42 | ncoghlan | set | messages: + msg349092 |
| 2019-08-05 22:32:34 | gvanrossum | set | messages: + msg349084 |
| 2019-08-05 17:11:32 | barry | set | nosy:
+ barry messages: + msg349057 |
| 2019-08-05 09:22:27 | serhiy.storchaka | set | nosy:
+ serhiy.storchaka |
| 2019-08-05 07:34:44 | ncoghlan | set | messages: + msg349033 |
| 2019-08-05 04:23:52 | gvanrossum | set | nosy:
+ gvanrossum messages: + msg349022 |
| 2019-08-05 04:15:46 | ncoghlan | set | keywords:
+ patch stage: needs patch -> patch review pull_requests: + pull_request14871 |
| 2019-08-05 00:15:02 | ncoghlan | create | |